How to improve the user experience on this site

I must admit, i am somewhat exasperated about the sad state of this site. I come here since 2003 and MyDD was a hotbed of progressive voices, with a clear message and mission: To elect more good democrats around the country. It was a partisan site with good and insightful commentary, with good tips how to improve our electoral chances etc.

Today, everything has changed. And not for the better.

But dont despair, there are things that can be done about it.

I make no secret out of the fact, that I think Jerome bears some responsibility for setting the tone on this (his) site too. So my main point would be that he should somewhat tone down his Anti-Obama-rhetoric. Shrillness inspires shrillness after all!

Secondly, and this is obviously being picked up by him: Make it harder for new users to register and aquire the right to post diaries and comments. This comes too late, to be sure, since this site has been infected by republican trolls and vicious Hillary and Obama supporters, who are inciting flame war after flame war. But its better than nothing. I would propose to install a 3 month waiting period for diaries and a one month waiting period, as soon as a presidential primary begins.

Thirdly: Since we are stuck now with the users we have here and since I am hesitant about banning lots of them giving MyDD potentially even more bad press, how about an option in user settings, to only show me diaries of users that are registered longer than either 1 month, 6 months, 1 year. Its harder obviously to do this with comments. But with ajaxified comments you could show only those comments already expanded which fit my criteria. All others would have to be manually clicked on to read. This would actually make diary comments more redable, cause you have to scroll less and can concentrate on higher quality comments by longtime users. Another option could be to. only expand comments of users who have a certain mojo. But I am afraid its already too late for this too, since ratings abuse has really demeaned this instrument on MyDD.

At the minimum I would recommend putting the registraion date at the very top of a users profile page and at the top of each comment. That shouldnt be too hard. Its probbaly just one more  template tag to include in the comments output template.

And most importantly: Have VERY long waiting period before users are allowed to rate other users comments!!!!!!!!!!!! Like 6 months or so...

More specific, but also more difficult too sustain and administer would be the ability to block viewing of comments and diaries of certain users, like a ban list on community sites. IMO thats not very practical due to the sheer volume of trolls here. But its one more possible approach.

Let me finish by saying, that I really dont want to demean the many wonderful diaries and comments by longtime posters. Lets take back MyDD!


Poll
How long should new users have to wait before posting diaries and being allowed to rate comments?
Not at all. They should be able to do it instantly.
One week
One month
Three months
Six months
Even longer
No opinion
I am a troll myself. I will find a way around it anyway.

Votes: 11
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Your rules assume new users are bad. I don't buy (none / 0)

that.

How about limiting people to one or two diaries a day. I know one rabid Clinton supporter who has penned 3 or 4 today.

How about appointed a committee of super trusted users to police the passing out of HR's and with the ability to take away a user's ability to give them if abuse is found, maybe for the 6 months you suggest.

How about some guidelines. I heard yesterday talk from Jerome of censoring the sight, but I don't see any easily found guidelines on acceptable standards of behavior.

It would be a start.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:42:09 PM EST

Re: Your rules assume new users are bad. (none / 0)

that would be a very good start.

And I don't agree with a one month wait, but a one week wait for diaries is certainly reasonable.  Most real trolls aren't going to wait that long to post and those that do, well, they can be fun.

I love playing in troll diaries.  Maybe it's just me.

but a one diary per day limit is also important.  people tend to (not always but often) take greater care with what you say when it's your ONLY diary for the day.


by DawnG on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:11:17 PM EST
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Hmm.. (none / 0)

Travis, I respect your opinion. You are a very new user here. Bu  you are the exception to the rule. It really is mostly newly registered users who are writing incendiary diaries and starting flame wars.

In linfars factually incorrect diary right now on the recd list, I looked up some users who pretended they couldnt understand oversampling. Guess what: One started commenting five days ago, linfar him/herself January 16th.

Personally, i would really want a preference to at least only show me diaries and comments by longertime users.

The question is: Does Jerome seriously want to do something about this problem? Reducing users to just one diary per day and restricting commenting for the first week, month would seriously cut traffic and ad revenue on his site. And after all, he is an entrepreneur. He might be seriously conflicted about this.

To that I would answer, that it is NOT in the longterm interest of this site to allow this serial ratings abuse, to allow factually incorrect diaries, to allow endless flame wars by newbies. When the primary is over, the trolls will leave, or maybe they will only leave in November. But will the regulars come back???


by MarcTGFG on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:28:25 PM EST
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Having a caste system would not solve anything. (2.00 / 1)

In fact, it would contradict the title of this blog "Democracy Direct."   However,  I get what you are saying


Another proud Hillary Clinton supporter for Obama
by Sandy1938 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:46:09 PM EST

Re: Having a caste system won't solve anything. (none / 0)

Even democracy needs rules and structure.  Otherwise you have little more than a mob.


by DawnG on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:12:23 PM EST
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How about no. . (none / 0)

. . .troll ("1") ratings at all? What do they even mean? That you disagree with the poster? So what? If they didn't break the rules, who cares?

As for "zero" ratings, get rid of them too, and, instead, have an option to report the post for rule violations. Let the administrators deal with alleged violations and administer "punishments" (deleting comments, warnings, suspensions, bannings).

Clarify the rules. Specifically, get rid of the rule prohibitting "inflammatory" statements about candidates. To a committed supporter, just about criticism of their candidate, no matter how measured and well-sourced, can seem inflammatory. The candidates are big boys and girls, I see no reason why they should be coddled anymore than any other public figure.

I agree with you about waiting periods for diaries. A new user should have to wait a specified time period (a week? a month?) before posting diaries. Too many new users seem to be drive-by diarists, who join for no reason other than posting a "hit diary" and leaving.


by freemansfarm on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:49:21 PM EST

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1) Limit one diary per day.  Seriously.  It will encourage people to put more thought into their diaries and reduce the amount of people just posting whatever random thought or CNN headline they happen to notice.

2) One week waiting period after registration to be able to post diaries.  Trolls rarely wait that long, and it encourages new users to see what good diaries are.

3) One day waiting period after registration to post comments.  Gets users to lurk a bit and see what is acceptable discourse and what isn't.

4) Get rid of the 1 rating.  Dailykos abandoned the 0-4 system awhile ago to stop newbies from dropping 1s and 2s on everyone just to indicate disagreement.  Now only trusted users can make any kind of negative rating, but they're limited to only five per day on DK, so when you end up hidden, you tend to deserve it.  Mydd would really benefit from these changes, since the influx of new users (due to lax moderation) is really lowering the ratio of quality to crap on this site.

5) Institute some kind of autoban system (if there is one, I haven't noticed).  Certain trolls are clogging the hidden comments and admin bans seem to be rare.


by Skaje on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:25:46 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Great ideas, overall. But I did laugh out loud at #3. I suppose that would work better once some other rules were already established.


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by LandStander on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 09:31:17 PM EST
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